FRUITful Problem
There are three boxes. One has apples, one has oranges and the other has apples and oranges. The boxes are labeled wrong so that no label is correct. Sue opens just one box, and without looking in the box, takes out one piece of fruit. She looks at the fruit and immediately labels all the boxes correctly. Which box did she open and how did she know?
Communicated by G. Mejia.
It’s some comments by myself / my students on how to attack these and related problems, and how to use in classrooms. Once you send a correct soln to a problem I’ll send the password -s- ([email protected])
Steve,
Like many others above, I teach Math and AP Computer Science at the high school level and love using riddles like yours to teach problem solving techniques. For my classes, every Thursday the warm-up is some kind of brain-teaser/puzzle. I would love to know more about the teacher/student corner.
Mr. H.
email [email protected] for a hint –s
what is the answer could you email it to me
I prefer to send hints first — I think it’s very useful to go through the same process as the students. after you solve one I can share the student /
teacher corner password
Can you send the answer to me I would like to show my students this
Sure: contact me at sjm1 AT williams.edu
Would it be possible to have solutions to all of the medium difficulty riddles emailed to me? I will be using these in my Math Games summer school classes and want to double check my own solutions.
I believe I emailed you, but if not please do contact me at sjm1 AT williams.edu; I have a student / teacher corner with supplemental material to use these in classes, and happy to share the password. /s
I LOVE these riddles. I use them a lot as warm-ups for my class. If you still need classrooms for you student/teacher corner, please let me know.
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Your email didn’t work. let me try a hint first. open the MIXED box //s (sjm1 AT williams.edu)
Could you please give me the answer for “FRUITful Problem”! This is making me crazy.
Thank you Jen
email to you bounced; glad you’re enjoying it ..s
There is definately a great deal to know about this subject.
I really like all the points you’ve made.
email me (sjm1 AT williams.edu) for a hint ..s
Does anyone know the answer? If so, would you share it?! PULEEEEEAAAASE!!!!!!
sent hint – let me know if that helps
Email solution please – I’d like to share with my students.
Can u email me the answer please? I am gonna use it for my team building activities.
Meeeeep: good! sjm1 AT williams.edu
email me — sjm1 AT williams.edu
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Correct anonymous
I am — help is always appreciate (sjm1 AT williams.edu)
I use these riddles with my students if you are still looking for student/teacher corner.
I’ll send (email me at sjm1 AT williams.edu) — we’re also looking for students and teachers to help us with a ‘student / teacher’ corner to help use these riddles in classes.
I would like to share some of the riddles with my students, how can i get the solutions ?
anonymous: correct (email sjm1 AT williams.edu)
sure — sjm1 AT williams.edu
Can you email the solution? I am utilizing your riddles in my engineering class for bell work.
if you can’t explain it you don’t ‘know’ it. knowing something does entail being able to explain it to someone — you have to say what you
did and why.
so, start with what box you opened, what you saw, and what you then figured out because of what you saw. (sjm1 AT williams.edu)
hint sent (sjm1 ATwilliams.edu)
i know the answer but i dont know how to explain it, could you explain me?
help!!!!!!!
I don’t think this works. will email you //s
She can pick an apple in a box labelled apple then this wud mean that the box is assorted and the box labelled orange can onli b apples and the one labelled assorted can onli b oranges! Or pick up an orange in a box labelled orange this wud mean the box is assorted and the box labelled apples they r oranges and the one labelled assorted are apples
sent a hint
answer
I do not believe this can work — email me (sjm1 AT williams.edu)
Double zero: having trouble following what you wrote. email me (sjm1 AT williams.edu) which box you pick first and what you do. //s
robert: correct
email me with more details: what box is opened, what fruit is seen (sjm1 AT williams.edu)
If all boxes are mislabeled and she finds an orange that means she switches the label from the box that says oranges. Then puts the one from the first box on the 3rd and puts the 3rd label on the 2nd box
Mike L: correct
ah, but what if she opens the apple box and gets an orange? then we don’t know what it is….
i ddnt read the question properly.
Solution: She opens the apple box and finds an apple (or the orange and finds an orange) so that means that this one was mixed , which means that the orange labeled box is actually apples and the mixed labeled box is actually oranges
Yes
So… she can see the labels and she knows they’re all wrong?
xiaomilk: correct, not posting as it’s the soln
I believe I have solved a similar question before. There are three boxes with all labels in the wrong places. Since the labels are on the wrong boxes, Sue should pick a fruit from the box labelled as apples and oranges. If she gets an orange, the apples would be in the box labelled oranges and the apples and oranges in the oranges box. If she gets an apple, the oranges would be in the box labelled apple and the apples and oranges in the box labelled oranges. So either way the apples and oranges would be in the box labelled oranges, and the apples or oranges, depending on the fruit Sue picked, in the box that is labelled orange ( apple ) or apple ( orange ).
if she opens apple and sees an orange, here are TWO possibities
A – O AO
AO – A O
O – AO A
note no box hsa the right label
She opened the apple box and found an orange. Therefore, it must actually be either the orange box or the apple and orange box. If the box she opened were the orange box, then she would be inclined to switch the labels on the apple and orange box. However, since all labels are incorrect, it means that the apple and orange box would have the same wrong label, so she would put the apple label on the apple and orange box, the apple and orange label on the orange box, and the orange box label on the apple box. Apple -> Apple and Orange -> Orange -> Apple
ah, but what if she pulls out an apple?
Let’s say that she opens the orange box. ( It will work for the apple box too) If she pulls out an orange, she knows that is is the mixed box because everything is labeled incorrectly. The other two labels can be switched to make all the boxes labeled correctly.
I can’t read t his ..s
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Not sure — if you open Apple and see an Apple, you know it must be apple-orange. BUT, if you see orange, it’s either orange OR apple-orange.
Open the box labelled apple..
CASE 1
it contains orange then the box labelled orange has both and the box labelled both has apple
CASE 2
it contains both then the box labelled orange has apple and the box labelled both has orange..
am i right?
A little bit. Think which box is best to open….
This is almost like the one riddle with two people, one tells the truth, the other lie, you say, take me to your town….but I can’t solve this….
Stan: correct, well done
To anonymous; correct (not posting as it’s the soln)
Glad you’re enjoying, but not quite right. Say she opens A&O and sees O, so she labels it O. The other two boxes were initially labeled A and O; she can’t just switch the labels as she’s just used O for the box originally labeled A&O.
dear steve, really wonderful website.. im training my brain, so i come to ur website every day to solve one riddle. hope my solution is correct this time, the steps are:
since none of the boxes is labeled correctly. then we have two scenarios.
A- the orange box labeled :apple or mixed
B- the apple box labeled :mixed or orange
c- the mixed labeled as :orange or apple
so she need to open the box labeled mixed, if she got orange then it’s the orange box(since it can’t be mixed since it’s labeled mixed and it’s wrong, and it can’t be apples goes she got orange), if she got apple then it’s the apple box ,the other two boxes just swap the labels
to awesome: very close. you write she takes one from ** … then the one labeled X is … and the one labeled Y is …; I think you need to switch the order of the two. Email me at [email protected] if you want to discuss more.
sure — hope your kids enjoy ..s
This is great! Am thinking u have to go to both first, but cud u email the solution? Wud love to work w my kids on this…….thank you!
but what if she had pulled out an orange?
she opened the box labled apples and pulled out an apple. since she knows that none of the lables are correct she knows that this box has apples and oranges in it and the box that has oranges in it is labled apples plus oranges since the box which contains apples having this lable would cause the box of orranges to be labled correctly. subsequently the box of apples must be labled oranges before being rearranged.
Tomek K: correct, well done — not posting as it’s the soln
[A+O] [A] [O]
^
she grabs one fruit out of the box with the label “both”. since the label is wrong, it will contain only oranges or apples.
She then attached the right label (O, or A) to the first box, lets say she grabbed an apple:
[A] [ ] [O]
The box she took the A-lable and the other box (with the O) have false labels as well, so the second must be the orange box and the third the box with both:
[A] [O] [A+O]
Kieron: correct, well done — not posting as it’s the soln
I don’t think this works. What is the box: oranges, or oranges and apples?
She opened the apple box and took out an orange
Sure. //s
Can you email me the solution? I’ve got students in my building who are working on it and on Friday I will post a solution and I’d like it to be worded clearly.
Glad you’re enjoying it. We’re also working on a student / teacher’s corner to use these riddles and give connections to higher mathematics — let me know if you want updates or if you want to help.
very good site useful for children of every class.
will email you. //s
whats the answer
Chris: correct! not posting as it’s the soln
Sue opened the mixed fruit box first. She knows because the fruit she pulled had a label on the box that matched the fruit that she pulled. If She knows the labels are incorrect then she would know that it was not the apple box if she pulled an apple. She would then know that the box that says mixed would be the orange box because the apple label was not available as it was on the box that she pulled the apple from. That would leave the orange label to remain on the apple box.
were you able to get it? email me at [email protected] to check a soln
wow so ard i had to have help
Lance: correct — not posting as it’s the soln
email me at [email protected] if you want to discuss.
Ugh….wait….I just saw my flaw. If she pulls and ORANGE, then she could be in the both OR the orange container….grrr…hint please??
This is actually a really easy one. She goes into the container with APPLES.
If she pulls an APPLE: she knows that she must be in the container with both because all of the labels are wrong (as previously stated). The orange-labeled container must have Apples in this case, and the box labeled with both produce must have oranges.
If she pulls an ORANGE, it’s the same concept.
Singh: correct, well done — not posting as it’s the soln
correct, well done; not posting as it’s the soln
twig: correct, well done; not posting as it’s the soln
but what if she picks an apple?
Box 1 – Label: Apples
Box 2 – Label: Oranges
Box 3 – Label: Both
She picks an Orange from Box 2 – Label Oranges. This must be the box with Both. Apples cannot be in Box 1, so that is the Orange Box. Thus Box 3 is the Apple box.
Labels rearranged
Box 1 – Label: Oranges
Box 2 – Label: Both
Box 3 – Label: Apples
oh, thanks.
sure — if you pick something from the box labelled apples, what happens if you get an orange? in that case, you can’t determine what you have. so maybe we shouldn’t pick from the apple box (and thus by symmetry shouldn’t pick from the orange box….)
can u give me a hint
mukuro: correct, well done — not posting as it has the solution.
I don’t think it works starting with picking apple. how do you know if you have orange OR apple/orange?
there are three box
~
box no——-label(incorrect)
–1————-apple
–2————-orange
–3————-assorted
lets assume that im sue and i picked box1(apple) and the fruit is orange so:
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box no———-label(incorrect)
–1————-apple<——-fruit inside is orange
–2————-orange<——it must be assorted
–3————-assorted<—–it must be apple
i think box no 2 is assorted because if it was like this…:
~
box no———-label(incorrect)
–1————-apple<——-fruit inside is orange
–2————-orange<——it must be apple
–3————-assorted<—–it must be assorted
box3 label is assorted but it was not assorted so it must be apple!
Noah: correct
yes but need to explain logic — can email me at [email protected]
i thinks its orange and apple is it correct
I don’t think that works. Say she opens apples. what happens if she sees an orange?
Lets see she opens one of the two just apple or orange box, correctes that label then since we know All of them are misslabeled she switches the two left?
A bit more detail is needed — which bin is picked? Your second post was correct (I’m not posting that one as it’s the soln).
if she picks an orange from a wrong labeled bin, and labels it oranges, she would only HAVE to switch the other two labels around on the other two bins.
Not quite. You need to tell me what box is picked, what is observed, what she deduces, ….
if we assume that the right distribution is
apple orange appleandorange and all were misslabeled then the possible mix would be other than the origional correct labeling is
apple appleandorange orange not possible since apple is correct
orange appleandorange apple possibly
appleandoragne apple orange possibly
cancel reduadencies
so orange vs appleandorange yields apple
appleandorange vs apple yields orange
apple vs orange yields apple and orange. which is the correct labeling
you’re close. if all boxes are mislabeled and sue opens the mixed box and gets an orange, what must the correct label be?
how is this possible she has 3 ways and ill tell u how its impossible
Way 1 = Sue pulls apple out she has no idea whatsoever if it belongs to the apple or mix
Way 2 = Sue pulls orange out and she has no idea if its orange or mix
Sue gets an apple and doesent know if its apple or mix
Way 3 = Sue pulls from mix now this goes 2 ways
Sue gets an orange and doesent know if its orange or mix
??
btza3ber 😛
Not sure what you mean by do the boxes have the same order.
So far so good!
do the boxes have the same order?
If she goes to the box which is labelled both and she picks up either an apple or an orange, then this implies that the box she just opened must contain ONLY apples or oranges (due to the labels being wrong) and hence she knows what’s inside that box.
That’s as far as I have gotten, am i right?
Richard C: Your solution is correct.